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around · Jun 23, 2007, 10:38 AM // 10:38

No.

Balance is needed to have a diverse amount of builds availiable, each with the same percentage to win against skilled opposition. If just a few builds are viable because they're the most overpowered, then it gets boring to play.

Isn't it PvE'ers who always complain about cookie-cutter builds? Without balance, everything everyone will run is cookie-cutter.

Master Sword Keeper · Jun 23, 2007, 10:46 AM // 10:46

W.T.B LAWSUIT against Anet.

I dunno why...but younger players are really starting to complain about the
new changes...I heard in Elona..This guy just started playing and he said all the skills sucked. I asked him why... This is what he said. "They're all weak, They take too much energy and don't do any damage" Even for a little level you should still be able to pack a punch like back in the old days.

*Throws an Axe at the PvP players* Take that you good-fer-nothings!

eudas · Jun 29, 2007, 01:10 PM // 13:10

everyone who asks for a separation of pve and pvp into two separate games is missing the entire *point* of guild wars.

eudas

Calen The Civl · Jun 29, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

I agree that balance is necessary in both modes of the game. However, I realize at the same time balance is nothing more than an illusion as well because of the nature of skill interactions. Players will always find new skill combinations that "break" the balance which will lead to an endless cycle of skill balances.

The only way to achieve true balance would be to set up teams that have identical skill bars. Yes, I am referring to the tired chess metaphor. Perhaps, the best solution to this would be to implement a special pvp area where the teams enter an arena where a certain team skillset is loaded onto all the relevant classes. In this regard, it would be just the skill of the players that determines the outcome. No other team composition would be allowed for that particular arena.

The arenas could be divided by the play styles, such as pressure builds, spike builds, etc. Of course the current skill sets would be posted so people could study and practice the current build.

These skill sets for the different arenas would rotate every few months to keep things fresh. These builds could be voted upon by the pvp community. The old pvp arenas would remain available for the people who prefer them. The new arenas would help reduce the need to balance high end pvp.

It is just a thought I would like to throw out there.

Vagrant · Jun 29, 2007, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surena

PvE needs balance too to maintain a certain challenge level. Give people an instawipe skill and they'll kiss your ass. Once they notice the lack of challenge though they'll post on guru and cry rivers that there wouldn't be anything to do anymore and everything would be so easy. People are hard to please.

Critical Agility nerf, anyone?

I swear I do ridiculous amounts of damage on my sin because of that.

To be perfectly honest, besides anything completely game-breaking (like critical agility in pvp) or a class that's weak in pvp, skill balances generally don't need to be made -- people will always figure out a new build, and generally it's just as powerful as the last one. Sins have been bumped around a lot in pvp, yet they're still performing almost as well as BoA used to.